“Wait, Is it a romantic date?” Podcast Episode 102: The Chart | Autostraddle

Recently on “Wait, Is This a night out together?” we’re accompanied by Autostraddle President and

L Keyword

expert
Riese Bernard
to talk about: The Chart. Yes it’s true! This occurrence is about lesbian interconnectivity — starting up with pals’ exes, buddies hooking up with your exes, plus the tradition created by what drama.

Appear for your gossip, remain the psychological handling. And before that enjoy a game title that tests Christina’s limits: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she generally will never.)

Thank you for all your good opinions after our very own premier! When you yourself haven’t however give consideration to giving us a rating or test!

SHOW NOTES

+ 5 years ago Riese developed an
Old Hollywood data
that’s the intersection of all of the my passions.

+ Discover
the article
I reference where I mention starting up with my roommates.

+ My crush of this few days Mj Rodriguez circulated a music video on her behalf tune
“Something to state”
!

+ As someone who has merely observed a small number of attacks of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush of this week C.C. Babcock had been shocking if you ask me if it turned-out she and Niles commonly both homosexual. (Christina tells me they basically nevertheless are.)

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Drew:

I would end up being extremely good with it existing. I would never ever include another person without their unique permission. However the idea of each and every time some body ended up being like, “concur that you are linked to me personally,” I’d wind up as, “Yeah, this is the life I resided. I do not care about.” Is that odd? Would be that an issue?

Christina:

No, since if I happened to ben’t, i’d feel bad not being. I would personally end up like, “hold off, I am not sleeping?”

Theme song plays

Drew:

Hi, I Am Drew.

Christina:

Hi, I Am Christina.

Drew:

And welcome to

Wait, Is This A Date?

Christina:


Hold Off, Is This A Romantic Date?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast asking the top questions. Firstly, is-it a night out together? Exactly what are dates? That times? Can we like dates? These represent the form of questions that individuals answer with this here incredibly expert and lovely podcast.

Drew:

I’m Drew Gregory. I am a writer at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, notoriously, a trans lesbian.

Christina:

I’m called Christina Tucker. I’m in addition a writer at Autostraddle. I’m a loud queer on the internet. I will be recovering at explaining me as a writer and, notoriously, a lesbian. Which is united states. That’s exactly who we are.

Drew:

Yeah. And so our main subject recently will be the Chart.

Christina:

I recently thought it required a sting. I’m not sure. That believed truly remarkable, but In my opinion it required it.

Drew:

Yes. No, please, kindly, kindly. Many thanks, thank you so much. No, no, no. The most suitable quantity of crisis.

Christina:

Thank you so much.

Drew:

Yeah. So we’re writing about lesbian interconnectivity.

Christina:

I favor that term because it appears like you should restart the lesbians. It may sound just like the connection to the internet isn’t operating.

Drew:

Yes. it is very advanced level, extremely futuristic, but additionally has been around since there’s been lesbians, I think.

Christina:

Yeah. I do believe scholars will say whenever they discovered the first lesbian fossils, they found a chart alongside ones created inside mud. And that I believe’s exactly what that film is about, correct? It is more about the chart? That film with Kate Winslet and the sand fossils?

Drew:


Ammonite?

Christina:

Yeah, that is what it’s about.

Drew:

If only

Ammonite

involved cave ladies. I’d see that lesbian flick.

Christina:

Well, when I have not seen it, I’m going to bravely claim that it actually was. Cool.

Drew:

Yeah. Because it’s like we’ve got many lesbian period parts, but we have never gone straight back that much. And I also believe it’s the perfect time we perform.

Christina:

Let us merely hold having it more back in its history.

Drew:

Before we have to the primary subject, you’re nonetheless getting to know us. And that I felt that it might be enjoyable playing a-game the place you dudes could truly learn Christina. Very the icebreaker because of this week is actually a little online game that I name “Would U-Haul.”

Christina:

I’m, again, therefore pressured about this. This may you should be ways i-come into the game. This could be my personal game mentality, some high-key, a little stressed. That is ok. We are all understanding.

Drew:

In my opinion that’s fantastic. I think that will prompt you to more susceptible, maybe.

Christina:

Among my favorite thoughts.

Drew:

Only a terror, only a severe terror. Therefore the method in which “Would U-Haul” really works is actually i’ll explain a situation. Why don’t we refer to it as Christina fan fiction. And I’m browsing pause after each small section is want, “Okay, Christina, i understand that you have never lived with a partner, do not want to accept somebody. But under these scenarios, would U-Haul?”

Christina:

And I will possibly state yes or I’ll state, “I’m prepared.”

Drew:

If you don’t — really, we are going to see right here. But I’m thrilled. I do believe i have maybe damaged the signal.

Christina:

You have cracked the code? I’m excited.

Drew:

Why don’t we observe how long this requires. Whenever you never carry out, i believe you winnings? I am not sure just how there are champions right here.

Christina:

I’m not sure there exists winners in the game of U-Hauling.

Drew:

Well, I am not sure should you’ll go along with that after this. Thus I’m going to get going.

Christina:

Fair adequate.

Drew:

Okay. Very, Christina.

Christina:

Drew.

Drew:

You are at your pal’s wedding ceremony. Regardless of the large number of romcoms you consumed, you probably did maybe not check-out this wedding ceremony thinking you’d meet anybody because, really, this isn’t a romcom. Here is the genuine and typical longevity of Christina Grace Tucker. You are taking your assigned seat as they are glancing at the cellphone as soon as you recognize a female at your table is wanting at you. She presents herself as your pal’s previous baby sitter. She’s stayed a friend of this family members, but she doesn’t really know any person there. She appears to be mid-forties and has now a striking angular face. You start chatting. She proposes to get you a drink. As soon as she gets up, you realize she actually is six foot tall, 6′ 3″ in heels. So you know very well what? I’m simply probably stop there and start to become want, at this point, would U-Haul?

Christina:

I’m fascinated. I’m fascinated because I might get set at this wedding ceremony. But to date I am not U-Hauling anyplace.

Drew:

Cool. Which is completely reasonable. Totally reasonable. Okay. Which means you spend whole marriage learning each other. Absolutely merely a sudden spark and instant chemistry. And yes, you do hook up as well as the intercourse is actually remarkable.

Christina:

Tight.

Drew:

And therefore this marriage was a student in Northern Ca. And so you both expand your own stays for a few days to screw and explore and consume at restaurants and fuck. And also you provide to divide the cost of the now combined room, but she laughs you down and it is like, “Obviously not, honey.” So that the then 3 days are secret. You feel the walls tumbling down. You are dropping quicker than you ever have. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Very only for quality’s sake, i am having a tough time picturing a world wherein I took three shock times from work to hang out with a person i really do not know. That seems bonkers. In case used to do, great for me. But i am not U-Hauling at this point. It will likely be a no.

Drew:

Great. Okay. Which is good. You simply came across. I have it. I have it. Okay.

Christina:

Many thanks plenty.

Drew:

So she returns to nyc and also you go back to Philadelphia.

Christina:

This is where We stay.

Drew:

And you’re texting all the time. That is where you live plus its in which this girl lives. And you are texting always and you see both many times four weeks. She’s extremely busy along with her work, but she actually is fast to get you a train solution to help you appear see her and remain at her gorgeous brownstone in Fort Greene. After which half a year go. And another evening if you are out over dinner, she requires one move around in with her. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

And go on to Nyc? Really don’t love ny. No, I’m not transferring in the half a year level. I’m not carrying out that, no.

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Drew:

Okay, okay. Totally, completely, entirely. Wow. Okay. So you keep matchmaking long distance. She understands that you will need time and the woman is prepared to await you. A few more several months move. Its today already been over annually. The property owner tells you that they’re offering your home to a developer that’s putting in apartments, so that you are unable to restore it. You ought to find another spot. Your now girl lets you know that no stress, but her offer nevertheless appears. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Okay. At this point, I would personally U-Haul for 2 explanations.

Drew:

Yay! Ok. Kindly tell us.

Christina:

Primarily, in a world wherein my property owner sold my house to develop it, my personal property owner is currently my companion, making sure that may seem like anything went wrong within friendship. And that I may want to simply keep Philadelphia anyhow. While I get to maneuver in with my sweetheart over here, that looks good. That is okay. Completely okay. But yeah, In my opinion I might require an external force like a mean property manager.

Drew:

Which is so — ok. I did believe that you’ll must require housing attain indeed there, and so I’m glad We knew that.

Christina:

Yeah. Which is just what needs to affect me very first.

Drew:

Really, i am glad to understand what it takes. Therefore in theory, if perhaps you weren’t kicked away, how much cash additional time?

Christina:

Genuinely, might went on for quite some time. Philly and ny are not actually that definately not each other. I acquired space over right here. We are jumping back and forth. We’re having happy times. I possibly could have permit that roll for a long period until i suppose Shoshana turns into the worst individual i am aware.

Drew:

I didn’t know Shoshana possessed your property. Really, there you go.

Christina:

There we go. Wow, that was thrilling.

Drew:

Well, thanks for playing.

Christina:

I’m stressed, to-be obvious.

Drew:

And I also’m grateful that i am aware… possibly in case you are previously, so if anyone’s ever online dating you and wishes you to move around in, maybe the gf informed Shoshana to market the house for the sake of your union.

Christina:

Honestly the quickest method — some body would simply have to communicate with Shoshana and stay love, “merely kick their around.” And then she’d end up like, “Yeah, sure. However.” That could be how it happened, no matter if she don’t offer the home. Some body would just be like, “is it possible to just kick the lady out so she’s going to merely get over it and move around in beside me?” And she’d state yes. One hundred percent she would do that. That’s what relationship is.

Drew:

I like that.

Christina:

Yeah, which is truly beautiful.

Drew:

Really, I believe like we discovered a large amount about you.

Christina:

Thanks A Lot. Personally I think like We discovered a lot about me, also. Risk of homelessness is really the thing that keeps me moving in any situation, i assume. Wow.

Drew:

Well, that’s fantastic.

Christina:

That was really thrilling. I am just as happy to maneuver into all of our main portion because In my opinion writing about lesbian connection because of this visitor, with this particular special guest, In my opinion it will likely be remarkable, Drew. How are you currently experiencing?

Drew:

I am very thrilled. This can be an expert. By that, I mean an

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specialist, but additionally a small amount of a specialized from inside the topic in front of you.

Christina:

I do believe two things can be genuine, my buddy. I do believe a couple of things is correct undoubtedly. Do we desire to introduce the guest or will we want our visitor to introduce by themselves?

Drew:

I would love our guest introducing by herself.

Christina:

Guest.

Drew:

I’ll claim that all of our visitor will be the one and only Riese Bernard.

Christina:

Guest, speak.

Riese:

Hi, I’m Riese. And is strange to get the visitor!

Christina:

Yeah, really.

Riese:

I experienced to not say such a thing. I didn’t also do it. I did so say circumstances. I got to stay here quietly.

Christina:

And also you were actually fearless. Along with your confronts happened to be valued.

Riese:

Thank-you really.

Christina:

Though it is clearly an audio method, i would like our audience to know that Riese was actually making some good impulse faces during “Would U-Haul.”

Riese:

There is different ways to get heard. Guess what happens What i’m saying is? That is what i state. I will be the CEO of Autostraddle.com. And I’m in addition on an undefeated kickball group. And that is me. I’ve a puppy named Carol. And that I have actually outdated individuals.

Christina:

Congrats on kickball!

Riese:

Thank you so much. I’ve been involved in people.

Christina:

Great. Enjoying that. That is fantastic to bring to this, this here matchmaking podcast. That is really good.

Riese:

Yeah. I believe that… will there be anything else?

Drew:

No, In my opinion that is fantastic, Riese.

Christina:

Anything you need to share.

Riese:

I really like raspberries, the good fresh fruit raspberries, and pools.

Christina:

In Contrast to…

Riese:

You Are Aware when someone goes like…

Drew:

It’s like whenever you strike. Yeah.

Christina:

Oh. Those are terrible, and so I just exhausted them from my personal head.

Riese:

Yeah. And that’s all.

Christina:

Great.

Drew:

Well, I straight away looked at you with this subject.

Christina:

That is true.

Drew:

Because firstly, demonstrably, queer women and non-binary people in lesbian neighborhood have now been like, I’m not sure, sex with others exactly who people they know experienced intercourse with since long before

The L Keyword

was ever a string. But I do feel like

The L Word

solidified a specific social idea of the chart with Alice Pieszecki. And so I felt like you’ll have countless insight into this subject.

Riese:

It’s true. Two of the experts, i wish to state, of

The L Keyword

had this real data of these as well as their pals these were attracting on the wall structure or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, In my opinion, had been one of them. She chatted to us regarding it, which they had built this. Because certainly, everybody else because journalist’s room had banged people in the journalist — you know, while the prolonged internet of that generation of lesbians in Los Angeles. And they also noticed can they were like, “Let’s put it during the tv series.” And some of them are on the chart. Like, one particular exactly who … like, real men and women are in the chart as a joke.

Christina:

Which is amazing. Which is the way you know you’ve made it.

Riese:

Actually that precious?

Christina:

That would be fascinating for me personally.

Riese:

And therefore when you haven’t seen

The L Term,

first, congrats. Second of all, it will become the centerpiece of a single of our own head personality, Alice’s, apartment. She has every thing over her wall surface. Looked after will be the title of a web page which they began called ourchart.com that flopped. Plus the concept … And it’s in the pilot, I think. Within the very first occurrence, Alice begins writing about just how everybody’s linked, because everybody’s connected because of this person. And I also can connect you, like you’re probably at the most two levels from the me. Which was correct. Like, even with Dana, who’d very restricted experience because she ended up being a closeted golf member, they still could actually hook up this lady. That is certainly real life since it is correct.

Christina:

That is tradition. Yeah. That’s what society looks like.

Riese:

That is tradition. That’s queer society immediately. And now everybody helps make their very own maps.

Christina:

Yeah. With the intention that was going to end up being my after that concern, was actually have actually either people made a chart? Because I really don’t consider I have, I am also sorts of today thinking like, what was this a year ago sitting inside my residence for basically didn’t generate a chart? Like, that was the purpose of that, truly?

Riese:

I do believe I done it in my log, equally like … Because I really like, I don’t know, organizing information, I guess, as an idea physical exercise.

Christina:

Yeah, I think which is additionally precisely why i’m surprised that i’ven’t completed it. I prefer the idea of categorizing circumstances.

Riese:

Appropriate. Yeah. Because it is interesting. I don’t know exactly why it really is so fascinating, however it is. It is interesting to get similar, wow, all of these men and women, they may be connected. It’s crazy.

Drew:

Throughout the tv show, when ourchart.com is actually created, they usually have a real data that people can also add material. And I feel something you joked about on

To L and Back,

and now men and women say constantly is much like, if this existed in a proper means, nobody would put their brands upon it, not one person would feel at ease getting their particular labels upon it.

Riese:

You’ll.

Drew:

I might. I would personally end up being extremely great with-it current. I would never ever include another person without their permission. Nevertheless thought of love, every time somebody was like, “concur that you might be attached to myself,” I’d resemble, “Yeah, it’s the life i have stayed. I don’t worry about.” Is that odd? Usually a problem?

Christina:

No, as if I wasn’t, i’d feel terrible not-being … I would wind up as, “hold off, I’m not on it? Like, I’m sorry, just what?” No, that will in fact deliver me personally into lighting moral anxiety about just who i will be as one, everything I’m doing. Am we interesting? Do individuals {like